Hip-Mama Anti-Racism FAQ

Anti-racism FAQ

Introduction

Why didn't someone just answer my question instead of sending me here?

Because you're not alone in having these questions. These questions are important, but it has proven disruptive to the hipMama community to constantly have to put aside other conversations in order to answer basic questions about racism. It is exhausting for the community to keep responding to repetitive questions, especially given the nature of the Internet, where it is impossible to distinguish between visitors, potential community members, and troublemaking trolls. Because you're not the first person to ask these questions and certainly won't be the last, we decided to put some of the most frequently asked questions into a single, easily accessible document.

Shouldn't hipMama be more interested in educating and reaching out to people instead of labeling everyone racist and making them feel unwelcome?

This community is anti-racist, which means, in part, that it does not exist solely for white people. Our commitment to anti-racism means that individual education is less of a priority for us than the anti-racist integrity of our community, which includes making sure that people of color (POC) feel welcome.

Isn't that awfully politically correct?

Conservatives have corrupted the phrase "politically correct" as a dismissive response to suggestions that the existing culture of white power and privilege needs critical examination. Because this community is actively engaged in thinking critically about the dominant culture, accusations of "too much" political correctness have very little meaning for us here. In case you hadn't noticed, the entire site is "politically correct!"

I'€™ve read here at hipMama that if I'm a feminist, I should be an anti-racist ally as well. I don't understand what one has to do with the other.

Those of us who are white and consider ourselves "feminist" need to commit ourselves to fighting racism with the same energy we put into fighting sexism, or else we are hypocrites betraying our sisters of color in their need. We can't demand that men no longer bake the cake of female oppression while cheerfully eating the cake of our sisters' oppression. That is, we can't expect men to recognize their status as oppressors of women and then expect to deny our own status as white oppressors of POC.

I don't want my child to be racist, of course. But if I just don't teach her to be racist, isn't that enough? I mean, I don't really want to teach about all this bad stuff right now - she seems so young and I don't want to introduce this topic until she brings it up to me. After all, this is a parenting community, not a political community.

We believe that the parental is political. In fact, it's a form of white privilege to want to protect white children from the ugly realities of racism when children of color don't have that luxury. The ability to claim a position of "ignorance" when it comes to the struggles of POC against racism is part of the power inherent in racism. As mamas, we have a responsibility to care about everyone's children, not just our own. As Carribean educator, storyteller and poet Opal Palmer Adisa writes, "I want Anglo mothers to teach their children not to be racist so I don't have to constantly do emergency surgery on my child."

Aren't the so-called allies rather uppity and full of themselves, thinking they're the perfect anti-racist white people?

No one assumes that every white person coming to hipMama for the first time is going to be an expert at unlearning racism. The basics are included here because these concepts have been radical and eye-opening at some point for every white person. Because of the daily reality of white privilege, all people without color (PWOC) stand to benefit from reviewing these basics. Living anti-racist principles is an ongoing process for all PWOC.

But I'm not racist! What do you mean, I'm a racist?

We're used to thinking of the word "racist" in connection with active hatred. That allows us to assume that so long as we're not deliberately hurting anybody, we're not racist ourselves. But racism isn't just about obvious bigotry - it's also about unconscious assumptions, social preferences, norms and privileges. Some people call this "institutionalized racism" because it shows up in everything from laws to birth experiences to shopping malls. Racism, like other -isms, is about a lens through which you focus. In this case, racism means you focus solely through the lens afforded you by your race and privilege as a member of the group in power, from a platform of perspective shaped by the dominant white culture.

Environmental issues make a good parallel. Few North Americans personally clear-cut trees or pollute entire lakes and rivers with chemicals, but we also realize that just living the "normal" North American lifestyle depletes the environment. In the same way, racism and white privilege leave "footprints" on the rights and lives of POC and we need to actively work to prevent that.

Just like admitting one's impact on the environment is the first step towards living a more eco-conscious life, admitting one's racism is the first step in unlearning it. It does not mean that PWOC are terrible people; it means that PWOC have work to do.

I didn't MEAN to be racist. Why is everybody calling me that?

Remember, racism and white privilege are so entrenched that every single white person is implicated, whether or not she is actively and overtly racist. The pain of recognizing the inescapability of racism is part of the cost of racism to white people. Other personal costs include ignorance, guilt, fear, and/or discomfort around people of color who could otherwise be colleagues, lovers, or friends. Also, to the detriment of society in general, there are huge societal costs, such as the diminishment of the world's "brain trust" by devaluing or even preventing the contributions of people of color. As well, systemaic inequalites caused by racism has led to a trend of the dominant clture to criminalize POC instead of adressing the social ills that plague our society in its entirety. Usually we think of racism as a problem for POC, but as the unwilling beneficiaries of racism, PWOC too are affected by it: being forced to admit this can be unpleasant and unsettling. But without recognizing that it affects everybody, whites will continue to see racism as "someone else's problem."

You might not realize that the argument you're making in a post is racist - but if other community members see racism, stop and ask yourself why. Take that opportunity to unlearn a little bit of your unconscious racism instead of getting defensive & arguing that you're NOT racist. Defensiveness is not useful because it makes the problem all about you, rather than all about racism.

How can I be racist if I have friends who are and/or have dated POC?

If you deny that you are racist on the basis of these relationships, it is a strong indicator that you have more work to do. The act of befriending or dating a POC does not exclude you from experiencing white privilege and thus benefiting from racism.

I don't have a racist bone in my body. In fact, I abhor racism. You don't know me, so how do you know what I am thinking?

One of the things liberal whites are taught is to deny racism by being "colorblind." Denying something or pretending that it doesn't exist - e.g. pretending that it doesn't matter what color people are - doesn't make it go away, however. The fact is, we do live in a racist society, and color does matter to people of color. That said, it is impossible to grow up in a racist world and not have learned racism. Having learned it doesn't automatically make you a bad person; whether you are "good" or "bad" is irrelevant. What counts is what you do about it. Also, see "What do you mean, I'm a racist?" above.

I've finally realized that I'm racist, and I sent a private message to a mother of color (MOC) to ask her to help me understand. She didn't respond/did respond and chewed me out for expecting her to educate me. What did I do wrong? How am I supposed to educate myself if the MOC won't teach me?

POC have to deal with racism every day of their lives. Asking them to educate you is asking them to deal with even more of it than they already do, and is disrespectful. This community is actively anti-racist, therefore within our community, the MOC are not solely responsible for your education. You can educate yourself by talking to other whites, reading books and magazines, and by talking to the POC you know in real life. You can also learn a lot by just listening.

So if I make a mistake, what am I supposed to do about it?

First, try to see it as a learning opportunity. Second, if you apologize, do so without defending yourself or trying to explain what you "really meant." You cannot demand forgiveness; all you can do is try to learn from the experience and do better in the future. Third, if you have decided to apologize, please think long and hard about whether you truly need to start a whole new thread for your apology. Do you really have something meaningful to say? Or are you just focusing on your own feelings rather than the goal of eradicating racism?

See "Okay, so what am I supposed to do about it?" below.

Why can't I post a racist slur if it's in quotes referring to something someone else said? (e.g. my friend said the _____ word the other day and I was so upset I just let her have it...). Why can't I use the word to illustrate the actual conversation?

No matter what the context, slurs are offensive, and hurtful to hear or read. Part of creating an anti-racist community is refusing to perpetuate words that hold negative power in real life. Remember, this community is committed to the active exclusion of racism and there are community members who may well have been called these slurs in real life. What seems like an intellectual discussion to you may be extremely painful to someone else.

Why is it okay to use the term "POC?"

Because it's a term that people of color have chosen to identify themselves. Basically, it boils down to calling people what they want to be called.

"Reverse Racism" does not exist

I experienced reverse racism as a white person at work/when I lived abroad/in a community of color, etc. Where do I go for support?

"Reverse racism" is a term created and used by white people to deny the fact that they experience white privilege. Those in denial use the term reverse racism to refer to hostile behavior by POC toward whites, and to criticize affirmative action policies which allegedly give "preferential treatment" to POC over whites. Resistance to or an attempt to correct racism is not racism; it is a reaction to oppressive conditions. Under global white supremacy, there is no such thing as "reverse racism."

What do you MEAN, reverse racism doesn't exist?

Racism = power + prejudice. Since "reverse racism" would require the victims of racism to have more power than the people who are being racist, it is a nonsensical phrase.

White people are raised to assume that anything in the world is theirs by birthright, and that other people are treated the same way as we are. The truth is that white people are given many things that POC are not - from jobs to smiling welcomes to the benefit of the doubt. When PWOC lose these things, the loss is often mistaken for racism or discrimination. Usually what is really lost is a piece of unearned race-based privilege, which white people are not used to functioning without.

About the Mamas of Color Forum

I'm poor/I'm a woman/I'm marginalized. Aren't I just as much a victim of discrimination as anyone else? Why do the women of color get special treatment? Aren't we all in the same boat?

You can be oppressed in one way and still have privilege in other areas. White women are oppressed by the patriarchy, but the world still gives them the privilege of being white. hipMama works to provide a safe space for marginalized people, but women of color will still be marginalized even here unless we actively work to prevent that.

Why do the MOC get to have their own space and the MWOC don't? That's not fair!

This is essentially a "reverse racism" argument. The fact is that because white women are in the majority here, the whole space is effectively "white." The MOC have their own space because some MWOC have repeatedly shown that they cannot respect the MOC by repeatedly trampling over and dominating conversations, so a safe space has been reserved where the MOC can have autonomy without being challenged.

I'm white. Can I post in the Mamas of Color forum?

No. The Mamas of Color forum is for self-identified mothers of color only.

Why not?

hipMama exists to provide a safe space for marginalized groups. After various attempts at providing a safe space for MOC, we as a community have concluded that this is the best solution.

But, isn't that racist?

No. Racism = power + prejudice. The fact that the MOC have a space where they do not have to negotiate the institutionalized racism of the dominant culture is not racist. It is, in fact, anti-racist. Fair does not mean that everyone gets treated the same. Fair means everyone gets what they need.

What if I am mixed race? Can I post in the Mamas of Color Forum?

You may post in the MOC forum if you define yourself as a POC. If you think of yourself as a white person with mixed ancestry, then the MOC forum is not for you.

I am white but my children are of color, can I post on the MOC forum?

No. You can post in the Multi-Racial Parenting forum, which is designed for mixed-race families. The MOC forum is specifically reserved for women of color.

Does this mean I can't read those posts either?

There's no official rule against reading the threads in the MOC forum. Some people think it's more respectful of the space not to eavesdrop. Others don't think of it as eavesdropping but as listening respectfully to what the MOC have to say. If you do choose to read in that forum, please remember that you are very much a guest in someone else's space. Do not start threads in the main area asking women of color to account for or explain things you've read in the forum.

What does it mean to be an Anti-Racist Ally?

Okay, so what am I supposed to do about racism?

· Believe what POC say about their experiences of racism

· Acknowledge to yourself the mistakes you have made rather than asking POC to forgive you for them.

· Set aside your defensiveness and desire not to be considered a racist.

· Realize that the feelings and experiences POC have about racism are more important than your own. Taking the focus away from how POC feel about racism makes the issue of racism all about the feelings of white people - which is just another instance of white privilege.

· Become an anti-racist ally.

What's an anti-racist ally?

A white anti-racist ally is someone who accepts her own role as a member of the racist social structure and, in the face of that knowledge, works to challenge the assumptions that come along with her white privilege. She recognizes that white people must learn to identify and confront racism when they encounter it, and then open up dialogue with other whites in order for progress to be made against racism.

It is important to remember that white allies are accountable to POC. This means that they accept the leadership of POC and recognize that, when it comes to racism, the experiences of the oppressed are more reliable and more important than the feelings of the oppressors. It is ultimately counterproductive to become an anti-racist ally in order to try to absolve yourself of guilt because ultimately the point of anti-racism is to strive for justice, not to make yourself feel better. Also, guilt can impair judgment, and paying more attention to your own guilt than to the experiences of POC means that ultimately you think anti-racism is all about you, which it isn't.

White anger at racism is an important tool in the fight against white privilege, but the existence of that privilege means that when it comes to racism, white anger is never more important than the anger of POC. Focusing on white anger at the expense of POC anger is just another example of white privilege in action.

To be an active ally of the MOC of this community, say something when you see a racist remark. Don't wait for someone else to take care of it. Don't apologize for the person who makes the racist remarks. Racism is offensive whether or not it was consciously intended, so saying that someone "didn't mean it" suggests that sometimes, racist language is okay. In this community, it's not. Keep in mind that at this site, the feelings of the racist are never more important than the person whose feelings are hurt by the racism.

In the process of becoming an effective anti-racist ally, everyone falls somewhere on this spectrum:

Spectrum of Awareness (reprinted with permission of Progroup, Inc.)

Naive - This person acts with no knowledge or awareness of biases and prejudices and their impact on others. Once someone has pointed out your actions, you can no longer be considered naive.

Perpetuator - This person is aware of biases and prejudices but continues these behaviors and reinforces and rewards bigotry.

Avoider - This person is aware of biases and prejudices but tolerates disrespectful behavior by "playing it safe".

Change Agent - This person takes an active role in creating an environment that helps all people excel. (This is where we all should strive to be)

Fighter - This person attacks all actions and confronts all behaviors and is always on the look out for injustice. This person is combative and burns out often.

But what about respect? Do you have to be rude about confronting racism?

The issue of respect, as it applies to people who make racist comments here and the POC on the receiving end, is that they have not given POC the respect that they deserve. Racism is not respectful, whether you put it "politely" or not. It is hypocritical in the extreme to ask the oppressed to be polite and grant respect to their oppressors. Resistance is necessary; it is not rude.

As aspiring change agents, white anti-racists should ideally strive to educate as best they can, but the experiences of the oppressed have priority over the experiences of their oppressors. Educating is not the same as apologizing for racism, and change agents do not expect POC to sugarcoat their righteous anger. One of the privileges that come with being white is that it isn't "socially acceptable" to point out privilege or bias; PWOC usually have the luxury of choosing whether they will address the issue, regardless of how much their willful ignorance hurts those they oppress.

Racism is a disease that white people carry. It is not an illness that POC need to overcome.

About the FAQ

The Anti-racism FAQ was a collaborative effort of the hipmama.com hipTalk discussion boards, with questions and answers written by community members or taken from actual conversations with newcomers to our community.

The Anti-racism FAQ was edited by Monica Finn, Lisa George, Nadine Mondestin, Tedra Osell, Daria Penta, Michelle Scheidel, and Gzifa Williams. The complementary glossary and recommended reading list was edited by Monica Finn and can be found at http://www.piercer.com/glossary.html and http://www.piercer.com/morereading.html respectively.

Thanks to Progroup, Inc. for permission to reprint the Spectrum of Awareness.

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Thanks for posting this. Not a lot of us whites understand these things. I didn't even either until I started taking a class on diversity in school. It's like cancer. You can deny up and down that you don't have it, but if you do it'll eventually get you. I think it's good for people to reflect themselves more often and understand their own bias. ignoring them wont fix the problem.

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katg wrote:Anti-racism FAQ Racism is a disease that white people carry. It is not an illness that POC need to overcome. Quote:rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm) n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist I joined just to say this, you ARE racist. I am a "POC" as you put it, but i am not a mother let alone a MOC. I know you will probably delete this post, my registration when you see this, which is fine...it'll just go to show what kind of people you are exactly. You shame "POC" (as you call us). Everything you have in your "FAQ" is prejudicism, racism, ignorance and plain stupidity. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but dont even play the race card or say your against racism when your by definition a racist yourself.

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I'm not quite clear where your post is coming from. No one here is saying that they aren't racest (the point of the FAQ). The FAQ itself, as I understand it, was written by women of color for another website, and is something that we have adopted. Why do you feel that we are being hypocritical?

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katg wrote:I'm not quite clear where your post is coming from. No one here is saying that they aren't racest (the point of the FAQ). The FAQ itself, as I understand it, was written by women of color for another website, and is something that we have adopted. Why do you feel that we are being hypocritical? it was written by group of women that was made up of women of color and white women. thanks for posting this

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thanks for the correction vig!

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katg wrote:thanks for the correction vig! no problem, i was around for a lot of the writing of it back at hipmama.

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How can I be racist if I have friends who are and/or have dated POC? If you deny that you are racist on the basis of these relationships, it is a strong indicator that you have more work to do. The act of befriending or dating a POC does not exclude you from experiencing white privilege and thus benefiting from racism. i can't agree with that more. thats like saying president bush isn't racist becuase he has poc in his cabinet. it's just not that simple.

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I see this a lot in the context of trying to show they aren't homophobic even though they oppose same-sex marriage. Grrr. wulfemother wrote:How can I be racist if I have friends who are and/or have dated POC? If you deny that you are racist on the basis of these relationships, it is a strong indicator that you have more work to do. The act of befriending or dating a POC does not exclude you from experiencing white privilege and thus benefiting from racism. i can't agree with that more. thats like saying president bush isn't racist becuase he has poc in his cabinet. it's just not that simple.

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I totally agree with everything hipmama said about reverse racism...I totally agree...it's sickening to come to terms with such truths; however, I have...and a long time ago..so no need to explain the basics of racism to me....however, I have to completely disagree with a statement made within her comment: Quote:White people are raised to assume that anything in the world is theirs by birthright, and that other people are treated the same way as we are. She is in fact assuming that all white people are raised like this. Not true, and way over the line. I was raised the exact opposite way and I'm sure I'm not the only one, it's true...not all white people are raised to assume everything in the world is theirs...and if she can't deal with that fact, then maybe she has some work to do. Racism does exist and festers within white history...and yes it is sickening for people to use the illogical term "reverse racism", and if you want to see me as racist I can't change that. You will see what you want. Look through whatever lens you wish. Right or wrong. However, don't tell me how I was raised, because the only person to know that would be me. Peace to all.

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FYI This site is for women, by self-identification, only. If you're arguing that white people aren't raised with privelege & expectations of privelege, I don't think you get the anti-racist FAQ. White people are taught racism implicitly everyday. No one had to explicitly tell you, "Dear white guy, please let police officers know that you are white when you get pulled over for a ticket. Also if you are ever on a trial, make sure to let the jury know your white, so that they can provide you a more lenient sentance. Let your teachers know your a white guy so they can call on you more often & validate your expereinces through academia. Also, please assume that everything is about you & you get to define racism." ...because all that is implicitly taught.

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i just want to say that as far as african-americans are concerned not everyone likes the term "people of color". (i am speaking for african-americans because i am black, and therefore cannot speak for another race.) it can be seen as insulting for some because of the old southern term "colored" which doesn't seem to be quite different. when you say "people of color" it can be easily viewed as a euphamism for saying "black" or "brown" or whatever "color" you are referring to. i think this was very informative, but when it comes to what people want to be called, i think you should be careful because everyone is different. just like in the african-american community, some people do not like to be called black, because black is a color, and should not be used as a descriptive characteristic for people, and some people do not like to be called african-american because several minority communities are of in actuality multi-racial due to slavery. personally, i don't mind being called black, because i call white people well...white. i have never been informed on whether or not this is correct, and i feel like that is a double-standard that exists in our community because most african-americans do not take the time to realize that maybe a white person may not want to be called white. all in all, i guess i just wanted to point out not to generalize when it comes to terms of race that people like to be referred as.

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POC is considered the most politically correct term, because as you're right it can still cause offense, it's the term that most minorities are the most comfortable with. Any term when describing someones race is bound to offend. I myself hate being referred to as an Indian, though I've talked to a few people who hate being referred to as "Native", which is the term I appreciate the most. Wikipedia actually had a pretty good article on it: Quote:"Person of color" or "people of color" are synonyms for people who are not white and (especially in the United States and Canada) for members of a non-white minority group. Some find this term equally offensive as the term "colored", primarily because it fixes whites as the benchmark for racial division, fostering an allegedly "us-versus-them" view of race relations. Proponents of the term maintain that it must be realistically acknowledged that race domination is primarily caucasian, and that the term "person of color" is a better generic term for the racial underclass than "black person" as it includes ethnicities other than those strictly of African descent. This may include some Latinos, who can be white or of color, Asians and many indigenous groups that also experience racism. The historical term free people of color refers to people of African descent during slavery who lived in freedom. A related term from the time of slavery is gens de couleur, a French expression that refers to the free descendants of white French colonists and Africans. Because so many of these people had mixed African and European ancestry, they are sometimes labeled mulatto. They are also sometimes referred to as affranchis. Some struggle to identify with the term, arguing the word "color" merely refers to level of skin melanin, which delusively defines those who aren't noticeably non-white, or whose racial background includes both races of white and non-white. I agree the terminology itself is problematic, but what other term would you choose that encompasses all non white minorities while focusing that you're talking about racial relations? POM (person of minority) can include minorities that have nothing to do with race, you can refer to individuals by PC terms for their own races, but it's not all encompassing to the issue, and that also raises the fact that many people within a racial group prefer some terms and hate others. I don't usually like the term POC either, but it's the only one I use because really there is no other term, and POC even if I may not agree with it is widely accepted by other, well, POC as well as it is the most widely accepted term, one which the majority of anti racist allies and advocates recognize and use.

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naivete wrote:POC is considered the most politically correct term, because as you're right it can still cause offense, it's the term that most minorities are the most comfortable with. Any term when describing someones race is bound to offend. I myself hate being referred to as an Indian, though I've talked to a few people who hate being referred to as "Native", which is the term I appreciate the most. Wikipedia actually had a pretty good article on it: Quote:"Person of color" or "people of color" are synonyms for people who are not white and (especially in the United States and Canada) for members of a non-white minority group. Some find this term equally offensive as the term "colored", primarily because it fixes whites as the benchmark for racial division, fostering an allegedly "us-versus-them" view of race relations. Proponents of the term maintain that it must be realistically acknowledged that race domination is primarily caucasian, and that the term "person of color" is a better generic term for the racial underclass than "black person" as it includes ethnicities other than those strictly of African descent. This may include some Latinos, who can be white or of color, Asians and many indigenous groups that also experience racism. The historical term free people of color refers to people of African descent during slavery who lived in freedom. A related term from the time of slavery is gens de couleur, a French expression that refers to the free descendants of white French colonists and Africans. Because so many of these people had mixed African and European ancestry, they are sometimes labeled mulatto. They are also sometimes referred to as affranchis. Some struggle to identify with the term, arguing the word "color" merely refers to level of skin melanin, which delusively defines those who aren't noticeably non-white, or whose racial background includes both races of white and non-white. I agree the terminology itself is problematic, but what other term would you choose that encompasses all non white minorities while focusing that you're talking about racial relations? POM (person of minority) can include minorities that have nothing to do with race, you can refer to individuals by PC terms for their own races, but it's not all encompassing to the issue, and that also raises the fact that many people within a racial group prefer some terms and hate others. I don't usually like the term POC either, but it's the only one I use because really there is no other term, and POC even if I may not agree with it is widely accepted by other, well, POC as well as it is the most widely accepted term, one which the majority of anti racist allies and advocates recognize and use. who are you to say what most minorities are comfortable with? how can anyone know what anyone is "most comfortable" with unless they are speaking for themselves??? because as for me, i am most comfortable with black, and i think that whether or not a person chooses to call me african-american or a "person of color" depends on what makes THEM more comfortable, not me. and why are you asking me what other term i would use to describe every other race that isn't white??? i don't use the term "people of color" because i have personally witnessed the offense it can make, but the fact of the matter is, there aren't a lot of terms that don't offend someone one way or the other. that's a part of life. the importance of my response wasn't to state that the POC term could be deemed offensive, but HOW it could be offensive particularly to MY race. in the instance that i, for some reason, need to categorize the broad scope of races that aren't white (which is by the way a color as well), i simply say minorities, although race isn't the only minority. whether this is politically correct or not, i dont know, but it has never stemmed any issue in any conversation i've ever had and in the event that it does i will simple say "racial minorities". i dont strive to be politically correct. i strive not to be offensive, and to gain knowledge from others about the things that i say that may be offensive unbeknownst to me. that is all.

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Chill out, I was agreeing with you.

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I see 'visible minorities' used a lot in the newspaper. I'm not sure if anyone finds that offensive. Problem is, depending on what area you're talking about, POC may not be in the minority.

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Kyamo wrote:I see 'visible minorities' used a lot in the newspaper. I'm not sure if anyone finds that offensive. Problem is, depending on what area you're talking about, POC may not be in the minority. very valid point.

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Kyamo wrote:I see 'visible minorities' used a lot in the newspaper. I'm not sure if anyone finds that offensive. Problem is, depending on what area you're talking about, POC may not be in the minority. Minority is not about numbers, it is about power and oppression, when discussing racism. Just because I walk into or drive into an area of Miami, near where I live, that is mostly black vs mostly white, doesn't mean that all of a sudden I am the "minority" and they are the "majority", unless we are taking a simple vote on something.

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sunflower, you're my new favorite person Wink Right on.

right back atcha

Learning that little tidbit was a major "No shit!" moment for me. Gotta love hipmama and girlmom. Great places (but by far not the only or the best) for learning this kind of stuff. I am just passing it along.

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what was that babymama post all about? and to add to the post that white people dont like calling white, that is a whole different issue. White privelage is not a self-identification kind of thing. I'm so fucking tired of hearing people give me what I call the "culture card" of opression. Like "Oh well my ancestors are native blah blah blah" Your ancestor's oppression doesnt "make up" for the white privelage you attain on a day to day basis. You pass for white when you walk into the grocery store, and when you get pre-approved for a loan and the woman next to you who makes the same amount gets denied, that lender isnt really trying to figure out if your grandfather was from hong kong. There are alot of people that pass as white who don't want to admit that they do, and want to see themselves as a minority, granted, they be a minority in other aspects, but as far as identification goes, if you look white, your white, and you get white privelage weather you want to admit to it or not. I have friends who are black, and they refer to themselves as black. I know some folks who prefer the term people of color. I know some folks who prefer to be adressed as people of color. Its a touchy subject isnt it? You can't please all the people all the time. Part of the problem, is trying to lump minorities together and treat them all like they are one person with one idea, and then walking on eggshells trying to please everyone,instead of just holding yourself accountable and living your life and not tokenizing anyone. Hello, do you think everyone with a darker skin tone agrees with and gets along with eachother? How would you feel if an upper middle class momma in her 40's tried to lump herself in the same category as you, because your a mother, and say that she "understands your struggle"? You know...I don't remember who it was, but there was a great revolutionary, and i wish i could quote him, and he said that class was the bottem line. That until we eliminate the class structure, no other kind of opression can cease to exist. And I really feel that you know? Because the class structure is dependant upon the exploitation of minorities, but, oddly enough, makes exceptions if it works to its own benefit ie: Tiger Woods...Condy Rice...etc... Its our job to to what we can to change the position we are in, it is not our job to be a martyr for anyone else's cause. Movements can only work, if the people that are in them care enough to make them happen. Allies are useless if the people they are supporting don't care enough about thier own cause to fight for their own rights...

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Quote:what was that babymama post all about? and to add to the post that white people dont like calling white, that is a whole different issue. White privelage is not a self-identification kind of thing. I'm so fucking tired of hearing people give me what I call the "culture card" of opression. Like "Oh well my ancestors are native blah blah blah" Your ancestor's oppression doesnt "make up" for the white privelage you attain on a day to day basis. You pass for white when you walk into the grocery store, and when you get pre-approved for a loan and the woman next to you who makes the same amount gets denied, that lender isnt really trying to figure out if your grandfather was from hong kong. There are alot of people that pass as white who don't want to admit that they do, and want to see themselves as a minority, granted, they be a minority in other aspects, but as far as identification goes, if you look white, your white, and you get white privelage weather you want to admit to it or not. I have friends who are black, and they refer to themselves as black. I know some folks who prefer the term people of color. I know some folks who prefer to be adressed as people of color. Its a touchy subject isnt it? You can't please all the people all the time. Part of the problem, is trying to lump minorities together and treat them all like they are one person with one idea, and then walking on eggshells trying to please everyone,instead of just holding yourself accountable and living your life and not tokenizing anyone. Hello, do you think everyone with a darker skin tone agrees with and gets along with eachother? How would you feel if an upper middle class momma in her 40's tried to lump herself in the same category as you, because your a mother, and say that she "understands your struggle"? You know...I don't remember who it was, but there was a great revolutionary, and i wish i could quote him, and he said that class was the bottem line. That until we eliminate the class structure, no other kind of opression can cease to exist. And I really feel that you know? Because the class structure is dependant upon the exploitation of minorities, but, oddly enough, makes exceptions if it works to its own benefit ie: Tiger Woods...Condy Rice...etc... Its our job to to what we can to change the position we are in, it is not our job to be a martyr for anyone else's cause. Movements can only work, if the people that are in them care enough to make them happen. Allies are useless if the people they are supporting don't care enough about thier own cause to fight for their own rights... which post are you responding to?

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I don't really think class is the bottom line, it definitely plays a Huge role is oppression, but there are still degrees of oppression in the same class groups that fall along race and gender. Also I feel like a lot of times class is a symptom of racism.

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I agree that there's a huge difference between someone who appears to be white and someone with dark skin. Unless they're involved in their culture and know their people, I don't even consider those people POC. It's not even about passing for white at that point, it's about living a majority white life and feeling some weird entitlement to express that POC part as if it meant a damn thing. (Though I do know a lot of lighter women who I do consider POC because they are active in their peoples struggle and know their people just as well as anyone else, they take all of their culture, not just the good pieces to blend in with white mainstream lives, but they live the life, there is a huge difference.)

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(and those people fully recognize that they still can benefit from white privilege.)

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Quote:It's not even about passing for white at that point, it's about living a majority white life and feeling some weird entitlement to express that POC part as if it meant a damn thing. I agree w/ this.

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naivete wrote:It's not even about passing for white at that point, it's about living a majority white life and feeling some weird entitlement to express that POC part as if it meant a damn thing. A-fricking-men. I'm second gen off the reservation, my father was the first of my family born in the regular population. I pass as white, I fully acknowledge that I benefit from white priviledge (until someone sees my son who does not pass, or hears my name) but it gets really really tiring to hear people go on about their "Indian" great-great-grandmother and how they're so much more "in tune" with nature because of that. That happened a lot to me in school when something would come up and I'd mention pow-wows or the historical re-enactments we were often part of. It's hard to live the life of a POC and then watch as other people take the good parts of POC ancestry just to make themselves seem more interesting while not committing any kind of involvement in any culture beyond white mainstream. You know they weren't sitting in a classroom with people doing that stupid old hollywood "woo-woo-woo" pseudo-indian call thing all around your desk.

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And even then, there's a lot of full bloods or close to full bloods that aren't even considered native based on the fact that they live and think white. Being a POC, one main flow of most POC communities is that it's very COMMUNITY orientated, not individual. Hell, my language doesn't even have a word for I. Everything is bout we, what benefits your people not what benefits you, and if you're not doing a damn thing for your people, not even in touch with them, and you're only living for you, then you shouldn't claim those people anyways. You're not a part of the community, you don't even think of them unless it's to benefit you in some conversation. And there's one fix for that, stop bein such an apple and get to know your people, cause being native is more about being brown. PS - you got the same name as my niece Smile PPS - there's an lj community that I think you'd really like, I'll PM you with the name.

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